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Posted by AZDavidPhx on 04/22/08 at 09:45 AM

Great post.

The NAR is well known for its unbiased and extremely accurate portrayal of the current housing market.

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Posted by cara on 04/22/08 at 04:23 AM

The redfin link comes up as this having already gone off the market. Did someone snap this “bargain” up that quickly? Or is someone that unhappy with IHB publicity? Or is the listing just being revised? Hard to say.

Posted by IrvineRenter on 04/22/08 at 05:14 AM

That is strange. It was there last night. Maybe Ipop can tell us if it went into escrow.

Posted by AZDavidPhx on 04/22/08 at 05:23 AM

70K haircut in a matter of months.  Not bad.

That can’t make last year knife catching crowd feel very good about their purchases.

The original builders of these apartments must have made out like bandits on the original FB’s.

This place still has quite a way to fall, but it’s good to see that your prices are on their way back to reality.

Posted by FairEconomist on 04/22/08 at 06:25 AM

For almost a half a million bucks, it *should* be upscale living!

Posted by Rkp on 04/22/08 at 06:26 AM

Is it 2 bathrooms or 4 IR?  I think you have a typo.

I think the next big milestone is when QH falls below 300 a sq ft.

Posted by IrvineRenter on 04/22/08 at 06:43 AM

I have been noticing that problem with Redfin lately. It seems like they have the bathroom number wrong quite often. I just copied and pasted off their listing screen.

Posted by optimusprime on 04/22/08 at 06:51 AM

Another 25% haircut will do on a property like this.

$250 per sq ft ... probably worth around the $350k area when all is said and done.

Posted by tonye on 04/22/08 at 07:09 AM

It took four toilets to drain away that much value so quick….

Posted by caliguy2699 on 04/22/08 at 07:23 AM

“START LIVING THE ORANGE COUNTY LIFESTYLE TODAY. Has anyone else noticed this statement appearing in REO descriptions lately?”

A number of times, yes. Perhaps this is the agent’s trademark?

Posted by Jeffrey on 04/22/08 at 07:38 AM

Man, Ghost Town!

I used to listen to this song when i was playing Text Based MUDs on AOL back in the early to mid 90’s.  I slayed many a text based cave gnome to this song.

Posted by AZDavidPhx on 04/22/08 at 07:46 AM

“START LIVING THE ORANGE COUNTY LIFESTYLE TODAY”

Whenever I see that phrase, I get that feeling of being embarassed for someone.  Like someone telling a joke met with awkward silence.

It comes off as extremely cheesy and juvenile.  I imagine 3-4 high school kids doing a presentation for their marketing class trying to be cute/funny for the entertainment of their peers doing corny advertising slogans like “Start living the OC lifestyle TODAY!” met with snickers from the audience.

To think that a “professional” realtor would engage in this kind of gratuitous monkey-business is pretty amazing.

What an embarassment to realtors everywhere.

Posted by Roo on 04/22/08 at 07:57 AM

This seems like an excellent deal.  Looks like the kitchen is all upgraded. I doubt you will find much better deals in the future as this is already a big drop from ‘04 prices.

Also, it’s a few steps away from Shady Canyon.  You start in QH and move up to SC!

Posted by Dog on 04/22/08 at 08:46 AM

Long-time lurker, but I just had to post today for two reasons:

Reason #1: The Specials! What a great call, IR. Used to love listening to this stuff in the early 80’s during my OC childhood.

Reason #2: Anyone see the NAR’s press release this morning? It was full of the usual suggestions that the market will stabilize any minute now and that we should all jump in and buy, but it also had two quotes that were noteworthy:

1) The absurd comment from the head of the NAR that blamed slow sales on lenders requiring unnecessarily high down payments. This is a guy who clearly thinks that 5% down should be the maximum limit. Not gonna happen, friend. Banks have to shrink the liability side of their balance sheets any way they can right now, and they are simultaneously going through hugely dilutive capital raises in order to shore up their finances. In this environment, higher down payments will become the norm (as IR has pointed out). Get used to it, NAR.

2) The first intelligent comment ever to come from Lawrence Yun, who pointed out the risk to inflation from further Fed easing, and the likelihood of increased long-term interest rates (and mortgage rates) as a result. Congratulations, Lawrence, for being one of the few to realize that Fed easing will NOT save the housing market. Yun suggests the gov’t offer tax credits to home buyers. Not sure I like this answer either (I’d rather just the market work things out), but at least I appreciate that this is the first time someone has pointed out that the answer is NOT to pander to the debtors who are in are over their heads (bailing them out will only delay the inevitable). No, if you want to make something happen in a hurry you need to pander to the people who actually have cash – those rare savers sitting on cash, the ones who will be most hurt by inflation as it erodes the purchasing power of their carefully saved cash. So Lawrence is right on this count: if you want to boost the market, don’t keep lowering the Fed funds rate, which will degrade the value of our savings through inflation. If you want us savers to save the real estate market, you’re gonna have to make it worth our while. A tax credit might help.

Posted by george8 on 04/22/08 at 09:14 AM

Right on. $2200 monthly rent with 160 GRM comes out $352k.

Posted by alan on 04/22/08 at 09:33 AM

High gas prices ($4 gallon) are directly related to high oil prices ($117 barrel) which is directly related to the dollar being in the toilet.  Europeans aren’t seeing the run up in their gas prices because the Euro is holding stable.  Low interest rates are keeping the dollar in the toilet hence low interest rates are keeping gas prices high, along with causing a small bubble in other commodities.  High commodity prices will cause political revolts forcing the Fed to raise interest rates.  Rising interest rates is to only way to bring down gas prices.  You can’t have it both ways anymore, low interest and low gas prices.

Posted by TurtleRidgeRenter on 04/22/08 at 12:30 PM

Hahaha! That’s funny.

Posted by hk on 04/22/08 at 12:32 PM

Check out 51 Appleglen, 92602.

Posted by irv on 04/22/08 at 12:43 PM

I guess when every SFR is described as an estate in the RE listings, it probably makes sense to refer to a 2 bed 2 bath condo as an upscale home.

“Start living the Orange County life style” sounds like it was written by an out of towner who watches too much reality TV.

Posted by NewToTheArea on 04/22/08 at 04:41 PM

400 THOUSAND DOLLAR LOSS-

Didn’t we talk about how bad people were underwater in Woodbury…..


http://www.redfin.com/stingray/do/printable-listing?listing-id=1163873

Posted by PeterUK on 04/22/08 at 08:21 PM

Ahh..“Ghost Town” from the Specials, that song was written about my hometown in England where the Specials are also from.
Actually, Coventry is doing pretty well now even though they have no Manufacturing Industry left.
It was the Home of Jaguar, Triumph, Rolls Royce Aero Engines and one very famous Person who lived there, Lady Godiva.
Sorry, this has nothing to do with Blog, just a little side-note.
They did however go through a massive recession during the late 70’s-early 80’s.

Posted by lendingmaestro on 04/23/08 at 07:22 AM

YES! This is it!  This is the property I was saying I used to walk by all the time.  In its garage was an E 500 Mercedes Benz and a 6 series BMW.  120k worth of automobiles.

Ahhhh the schadenfreude is flowing this morning!

Posted by Ken on 04/23/08 at 09:47 AM

Quail Hell?

That row after row of yuppie-pink flipper condos that metastasized that hillside on the 405 near Irvine Spectrum?

Die.
Flipper.
Scum.

Posted by CapitalismWorks on 04/23/08 at 07:46 PM

I have to say that I was the original QH comp Killer, and ended up selling my place more than 10% below the lowest recent comps.  Still made a tidy sum mind you, but I was certainly able to coax a knife-catcher by leading the market down.  I have to give credit some credit to the IHB for helping me come to terms with the dramatic price drops necessary to sell (that and my wife is the most gung-ho price dropper ever).

Posted by Gibbon! on 04/23/08 at 11:40 PM

So I went and read that link to Quail Hell the thing that jumped out at me was.

WTF are people in Irving doing paying San Francisco prices for housing?

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